Daniel Berulis
Appearances
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
Thank you for having us on.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
And that goes back to what we requested, which is an independent investigation. Because, again, Dan provided not only what he saw, but the forensic details to back up his concerns. And so part and parcel of an investigation is to, of course, speak to others. And there will be other individuals who will be able to corroborate what Dan saw. Because they saw it themselves.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
Now, and one of the things I also want to point out to you, because you did an outstanding job, Rachel, in going over exactly how foreign intelligence likely was able to try and access NLRB databases. This is more than just the NLRB. Dan is here because he's been brave enough to come forward with what he saw, what he witnessed, what he can actually establish through forensic data.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
We have heard from others who are, there are many people like Dan, but who are afraid to come forward. And we've also heard that in addition to how the systems were being treated by Doge with an NLRB, what we've also seen is that these systems were also connected to Starlink. Now, why is Starlink critical?
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
Starlink is critical because the information that flows through Starlink goes directly to Russia. What has happened was back in last year, the Department of Defense has stopped using Starlink in any way, shape, or form because that is viewed as a direct pipeline there. And this is something that is also being seen in other agencies, not just NLRB.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
The other thing that's really concerning is that, and I don't want to say that this was done intentionally. It could be done intentionally.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
unintentionally, by accident, by those who are working within DOGE, which is they have allowed certain specific critical infrastructure and other agencies, such as within the Department of Energy, where you have nuclear regulatory agencies overseeing our nuclear stockpile, etc., where that has been now open to the open internet. So critical infrastructure throughout the country
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
has unfortunately been provided access to the open Internet, which means our foreign adversaries, like Russia, can and may have access to all of that. So the way that I would frame this is that what Dan is seeing and what others like Dan are seeing within our government is that this is like Chernobyl and them seeing the control systems light up post-meltdown. This is where we are.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
I think it was vague enough to not be... Can I just... Yeah, I can jump in there for Dan because this is actually quite difficult for him to talk about because it is quite personal. So this is a letter who somebody had drafted. And within the letter, there was specific information about Dan that can only be obtained through, for example, internal databases within the government.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
Because it's not anything—we've had individuals conduct an investigation. We've had our own investigative team conduct an investigation to see whether or not any of this is really easily accessible online, and it's not. And so there is information that very few individuals would know.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
It could be something that was submitted to the government on an SF-86, a security clearance background investigation, etc. And the fact that he's only been at this residence for two months or less— We have that. We have the fact that somebody literally figured out where he lives, taped this note to his door, and flew a drone above him while he was walking his dog.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
I mean, I've only seen this once or twice in the years where I've represented whistleblowers or conducted investigations like this. When I saw this, this made me pause and get concerned about Dan and what's going on.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
And this is pure and simple witness and whistleblower intimidation because this came forward before we even filed anything with the government, which means that somebody was monitoring his use of systems within the government. which for me is an indicator as to where this is coming from.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
And the funny thing is, is that this was clearly done to intimidate him, to stop him from coming forward, but it didn't. And the reason why Dan came forward is not just to ensure that the truth comes out, but that other folks like him
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
have the courage to come forward because a lot of people believe or think that something is amiss, that this is happening within our agencies and within our government. But guess what? It is. And we have the evidence to establish that. And we need other people to come forward because you know what? And one of my colleagues has said this once in the past and it's so true. Courage is contagious.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
And this is in part why Dan is here and speaking with you today, not behind a silhouette or a screen, but directly to you today and to everybody. So that way we can hear what's actually happening.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
One of the things that Dan has told me is that he hopes that he's wrong. Absolutely. This is not something that we want to be the case, but we've been able to stress this not just through Dan's own research and investigation, but through subject matter experts with whom we've worked in preparing this disclosure.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
And so what we're asking for is an investigation, somebody to look at this and take this seriously. Because you know what? There's personal identifiable information affecting American citizens that's flying out from the United States government, likely to Russia. But if that's not enough, then it's our national security.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
I mean, at some point, we all have to collectively wake up and say no and rebuild. Because unfortunately, I'm concerned that we're in a place where we can't undo what has been done, but we can know what happened, who did something wrong, hold people accountable, even if it's at some point in time in the future, and rebuild. Because that's where we need to be.
The Rachel Maddow Show
'They can't hide the ball': Judge cracks the whip on Trump lawyers in deportation case
Thank you very much. Thank you for your coverage. All right. Yes.