Daniel Coyle

And I was kind of hanging out with... It had a way of putting my own life in perspective, actually.

That's what I liked about it.

It created meaning.

And one example of that was I was asking their co-founder, his name's Ari Weinzweig, I was asking him why they had...

I said, isn't it surreal, Ari?

He'd grown up as a dishwasher.

He started as a dishwasher, and now he's the co-founder of this company.

And I said, isn't it surreal that you were a dishwasher?

Does this ever strike you as just crazy and surreal that you're now sort of this co-CEO of this $90 million community of thriving businesses?

And he looks at me and he goes, little Danny Coyle, growing up in Alaska, wanting to be a writer.

How surreal is that?

So in that moment, that just kind of knocked me out because that was my story and I shared that with him.

He had, of course, asked me.

And this idea that it's all kind of surreal, especially when you get into, which means sort of it's all kind of surprising and the level of growth that can happen is always kind of stunning when you look back at it.

And so those places kind of, they were able to create that moment of kind of spacious connection, deep connection that I found myself craving as a human being.

I think we're all kind of craving some of that.

Yeah, on the personal, this sort of takes place in kind of the ways in which we pay attention.

On the personal side, where this stuff resonates is in openness and the ability to shift your attention system.

And we actually have two attention systems, as the book gets into.

We have task attention that's pretty narrow, and we have broad attention that is really relational.