Daniel Ek

I think you were spot on when you said it's like the hardest single thing really for a founder and entrepreneur in a much different way, I think, than a normal person.

But I think every normal person goes through this is finding yourself.

That's literally what I just wrote down.

100%.

And as you say, it's like, you know, I think the game I'm playing now is just being the best version of myself, right?

And the best version of myself is one that will have even more impact than the one that had before because it will be even more true to who I am.

So what is your archetype?

I mean, do you even know?

No, I don't know, which is why I was asking you because I figured who's the person in the world that probably has a better idea of like all the different archetypes.

Because I can still learn how to...

like, you know, do the game better, if that makes sense.

Many people, which is the good news for me.

You know, it starts with my family, my mom.

You know, my mom is the most normal person you would be

She's proud of my accomplishments, but in sort of the standoffish way.

She couldn't care anything about the impact of it.

It is more like that I've overcome obstacles for myself that she knows matters to me.

So oftentimes, yeah.

And so oftentimes like when I may bring an issue home, because she doesn't really know what's going on in the business world and she doesn't really care.

She kind of like gives me this mirror back where most of life actually doesn't revolve around technology or the business world, et cetera.