Daniel Ek

And I believe that... I think you're definitely right about that.

Yeah, and I believe that life is more fun doing the journey with other people around than doing it in single-player mode.

And that doesn't mean that I'm not also a person that likes my own spare time, my own comfort, my own solitude.

I have that part, and that's the duality in my personality.

But I really do believe, and it will go back to philosophy, but the more I give away, the more I get by.

And so I just keep focused on doing that.

And for me, the ultimate impact at this point, why I said, you know, I like to be the best coach there ever was, the best entrepreneur coach, maybe that's my archetype, but then a player, because I've come to see that these people that I've done Spotify with for the past 15 years, as an example,

Seeing their success, seeing their impact, seeing their growth is the thing that gives me the most amount of pride at this point.

It really isn't anything else.

Like, you know, financially, I couldn't care.

Not that important.

It's great to have a lot of money to have as a currency to then have more impact.

There's more ships on the table to do new, more cool, interesting stuff.

But...

But the real thing for me will be the friendships that I built, the trust that other people placed in me to allow me to help them on this journey, help me on my journey, and us doing it together.

I've just seen it so many times.

I've been burned by it for sure.

Sometimes when people have broken that trust that I put in them.

But I will honestly say that's been like 1% or 2% negative experience relative to all the positive things that come out of it.

Yeah, pretty much.