Daniel Ek

Like, that's how it goes.

And look, it comes back to this.

I mean, I don't believe that I know much.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, look, I just realized it sort of started from this thing, right?

Where you and I have both read all the books and actually many of the entrepreneurs have read not as many books as you have around all the greatest entrepreneurs, but they've read the big ones.

Yeah.

Certainly of their time, the basis is the Steve Jobs, the Elon Musk's biographies and all that kind of stuff.

But the...

there's a certain thing around reading it and internalizing it and seeing the culture upfront.

And what I realized was building Spotify, obviously it's the biggest company I've ever built.

So I'm learning on the job and I don't know what I don't know because I've never really worked at a company, right?

And it's in a way what I realized as we hired people from these other companies is that there were all these things that they were doing that they kept telling us about and I didn't really understand why.

like how it worked.

So I'll mention like one, for instance, I do really well in these like one-on-one situations.

I might even do well in like three or four person groups and maybe six, but 10 person group, like I don't have the personality where I command the room.

It just doesn't work.

And then you have someone like a Mark Zuckerberg who literally has this thing called large group where he has 20 to 25 people that he runs every week.

And for me, it sounded absolutely awful.

Like, how did he get anything done in that meeting?