Daniel Ek

And so lo and behold, I asked him, hey, can I come and learn from you?

And he was incredibly gracious.

And we've obviously been friends for a long time.

And he said, sure.

And so I spent the better part of what I believe the first time was like a week learning.

literally in pretty much all of his meetings from start to finish.

And the big question, obviously, for me is like, okay, well, what does he get out of it?

And can I make myself useful while doing it?

So hence, I took meeting notes.

If I could get him coffee, I would.

It was literally these types of things.

But at the end of it, the most interesting thing was obviously trying to distill down what surprised me about the culture.

It wasn't really around like Meta and what was then Facebook is a world-class company.

It wasn't like I miraculously thought I could do a lot of things different or better.

But there were things that surprised me around how he managed the company.

And seeing that and hearing that from another –

founder, hopefully one that he respects too, may sort of lead to insights and breakthroughs.

And during that week, it's not just that I follow people around.

I actually meet with their entire executive team and interview them too.

So sit down and try to learn from them to really, truly internalize the culture and try to understand it.