Daniel Ek

And so all of a sudden you do realize, for instance, how you can make a large group team meeting work.

And there were lots of other things which I shamelessly copied from, for instance, that experience.

And it just turned out for me to be an amazing way to learn by seeing the culture up front that enables the certain –

practices to work.

It almost comes back to kind of this two things we talked about already, which is this mirror of reflecting it back.

And then the sort of second notion, I think, which is it's got to be true to you.

So, you know, there are many things where you can copy a specific way.

For

But if it's not truly innate to you and your personality, I promise you it will not have the same impact as when Elon does this.

Yeah, I think the most important thing that you described is it's a spectrum.

It's not 100%, you know, one way or the other way.

Because, again, sort of like I remember early on, you know, people talking about that sort of dichotomy of how Google does things and how Apple does things.

And many founders then...

tended to gravitate when apple was at sort of peak steve jobs to no i run the product review it's only my opinion that matters um and it's my taste and i've got this articulation all these things and lo and behold like uh some terrible decisions uh ended up uh coming out of this etc and and i think where people um sort of break down on almost all issues is they take it literally

I don't believe for a second that Apple was 100% in the camp where Steve Jobs just had universally the answer to everything.

He didn't listen to anyone else's opinions.

He didn't try things out.

Sometimes maybe trying it out by testing his ideas on multiple people inside and outside, you know, et cetera.

But of course he did that, right?

And I know one of the ways he did it, which was brilliant, and that don't get talked about.