Daniel Ek

And so, I mean, look, you're just going to find that thing, right?

But when you realize that, so if you start with that as the basic thing, like all the things you and I have been talking about for this time now, you know, the reality is it's like it's about knowing yourself, which is really hard, and you get to know more.

And it's about building a system that works for you.

I know hanging out with crazy people gives you energy, right?

You just did the same face.

Well, I think it's back to that, like sort of these two concepts we talked about.

My whole journey is one of self-mastery and finding out how I can become the best version of myself.

And meanwhile, what gives me energy is solving problems.

You know, and as you say, I think this is revealed early.

Like I loved, I didn't know it was companies, but I loved like sorting out problems for other people.

I've been doing my entire life.

Whether it's relationship advice, whether it's all these other things.

That's it.

That's all.

So if you look at the video games, I actually think what kind of video games you like is a pretty good revealer of your things too.

I wasn't playing any kind of first-person shooter games or any of that, some of it, but not much.

Most of what I was playing was strategy games, you know, civilization, business strategy game.

I played every tycoon game of how to run businesses better.

Of course you did.

Yeah.