Daniel Ek

So we may not hear it.

Plus, we don't have this sort of...

I'm not sure a podcaster sees it as it's sort of given that monetization is there and it needs to be there from day one.

Whereas I think obviously with the professionalization of music, that's a much bigger part of the expectancy.

But that's actually a kind of relatively limited part of our human history.

It's not been...

it's probably even less than a hundred years that we've had recorded music and it being a form.

And yet it's part of the copyright regime.

It's part of like some pretty important loss.

So I think it comes with a different expectancy.

I'm not saying that's wrong.

I'm just saying just the arc of history.

And I was actually gonna latch on to something you talked about sort of being creative too.

One of the things I often think about when you think about sort of the history of music

Going back to it, at the time of Mozart, if I wanted to create music, the reality is I had to be a musical genius because I needed to hear every single tone in my head, every single note.

I needed to hear all the different instruments, how they would all play together.

I could write them down, but I could never hear them all being played at once, right?

Many times the composers of that era

they were only able to listen to their actual compositions like a few days before the actual concert that they were doing and then making small tweaks.

But by that time it had to be pretty perfect.