Daniel Kokotajlo

This asks for OpenAI to have lifetime non-disclosure that you couldn't even talk about from all employees.

Non-disparagement.

Non-disparagement.

From all employees.

Again, to emphasize, I'm glad you brought that up.

Non-disparagement means not just that, it's not about classified information.

It's like you cannot say anything negative about OpenAI after you've left.

This non-discrimination agreement where you can't say, you can't ever criticize OpenAI in the future, it seems like the kind of thing that IndirectSpect was like an obvious bluff or in the sense that if somebody, and this is a rate that you have earned, right?

So this is not about some future payment.

This is like when you signed the contract to work for OpenAI, you were like, I'm getting equity, which is most of my compensation, not just the cash.

In retrospect, I'd be like, okay, well, if you tell a journalist about this, they're obviously going to have to walk back, right?

This is clearly not a sustainable gambit on OpenAI's behalf.

And so I'm curious from your perspective, somebody who lived through it, why do you think you were the first person to actually call the bluff?

Yeah.

I will note that I know at least of one other person who made that same choice.

Leopold?

That's right, Leopold.

And again, it's worth emphasizing that when they made this choice, they thought that they were actually losing this equity.

They didn't think that this was like, oh, this is just a show or whatever.

I actually don't know.