Daniel McConnell

So there's a sense in that.

Put two and two together.

You know, so... And I think, you know, for him, he is just trying to make sure that he can show some real success and progress in the two areas because I think...

When we did get into it a little bit in terms of the policy stuff, you know, delays in the energy stuff because of planning, there's delays in the transport area again because of planning.

And I think one of the most shocking revelations he said, because of the spending code, because of the state's own steps that they have to put, you know, to get funding approval, it added an extra 100 million onto the cost of it.

I was just going to say.

I was just like, I hear like.

Now, there will probably always be an element of waste in a bureaucracy.

There will always be an element of waste in terms of megaprojects or whatever like that.

But if that's the norm, and he seemed to suggest that this is more frequent than the exception, that is galling.

And he said himself he didn't really have an answer for it.

He kind of...

kind of said it's frustrating and kind of for him.

I thought, you know, on the transport stuff, you know, like on Metro and all the rest, you kind of think that this government finally gets it in terms of what needs to happen.

The big question mark is whether or not they actually have the balls, to put it frankly, to kind of get it done.

Very good.

Well, listen, here now is our interview with Dara O'Brien.

It's well worth the watch or listen.

And we'll be back to you for the post-match analysis after this.

Dara O'Brien, you're very welcome to the Business Plus podcast.