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Darby Saxbe

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1267 total appearances

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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

With mom, you can literally visibly see her body changing, right, if it's a biological pregnancy.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

And with dad, there's a lot going on under the hood.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

So there's research that suggests that testosterone levels drop

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

Oxytocin levels change.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

A hormone called prolactin changes as well.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

You can tell from the name.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

It promotes lactation.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

Okay.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

So it's very good for breastfeeding, which obviously is not that helpful for dads.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

And in men, surprisingly, prolactin levels before birth seem to predict...

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

at least this is what we found in our lab, predicted dad's kind of bonding and motivation to parent in the early postpartum period.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

So we found that guys with higher prolactin levels prenatally had more enjoyment of the infant postpartum, were spending more time with the infant postpartum.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

And it's interesting because in fish, and I mentioned that fish are primary caregiver fathers, if you dump prolactin into the water, fish will start acting really paternal.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

So it's actually a hormone that kind of turns on fatherhood in fish.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

And it turns out it might work in a similar way in humans.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

Yeah, we need high testosterone if we're competing for mates.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

It will help us to be competitive, to focus on our status, to be aggressive.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

And it's not that useful when we have a new baby.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

It's not as adaptive to sustain high testosterone levels.

Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard
Darby Saxbe (on Dad Brain)

And testosterone comes at an immune cost for the body.