Darby Saxbe

And that's really great for kids.

Kids really like that style.

And I think they learn from it.

They learn better risk tolerance.

Like it's psychologically healthy to engage in that kind of play.

But it's also socialization in the sense that we judge mothers so much more.

Then we judge fathers.

And if anything goes wrong with a kid, if they show up in mismatched socks or they don't have their permission slip, it's like mom's fault.

Yeah.

And so I think that's changing.

Like as men are participating more in child care, Gen Z men are increasingly likely to say they will make doctor's appointments for kids.

They will check kids' homework.

They will do some of the mental load stuff that traditionally has been like mom's domain.

Yeah.

So there's a lot going on under the hood for dads.

And I think because pregnancy can be so visible on a woman's body, we're like, oh, of course, she's totally transformed.

We don't often think about that for men, that their hormones are also changing, their brains are also changing.

So, you know, in my lab, we've looked at things like testosterone, which changes in men around the birth of a baby.

Up or down?

It tends to drop.