Dario Amodei

You know, I want to say two things at one time, right?

I'm absolutely in favor of trying to do that.

So, you know, during the last administration, I believe there was an effort by the U.S.

to reach out to the Chinese government and say, you know, there are dangers here.

Can we collaborate?

Can we work together?

Can we kind of work together on the dangers?

And

There wasn't that much interest on the other side.

I think we should keep trying.

Even if that would mean that your labs would have to slow down.

Correct.

Correct.

If we really got it, if we really had a story of like we can enforceably slow down, the Chinese can enforceably slow down, we have verification, we're really doing it.

Like if such a thing were really possible, if we could really get both sides to do it,

then I would be all for it.

But I think what we need to be careful of is, I don't know, there's this game theory thing where like, you know, sometimes you'll hear a, you know, a comment on the CCP side where they're like, oh yeah, AI is dangerous.

We should slow down.

It's really cheap to say that.

And like actually arriving at an agreement and actually sticking to the agreement is much more.