Darragh Fleming

As in, do you not discuss your immediate family or your girlfriend?

Yeah.

Or is it just about you?

Or would you just say you had a fight with a partner?

I've never made a conscious decision on that.

It rarely comes up.

And if it does, I'll talk about it from the context of like having a disagreement with someone you love as opposed to like naming them specific or whatever.

Because I'm like, I'm happy to like...

be totally on blast and very public and I have been for years but that's not true of all my family and it's important to respect that as well because they all have their own jobs and careers and then if there's a kind of crazy artist giving all her secrets away on the internet it's not maybe not ideal but

I know, they're reading something about themselves going, oh, fuck, he felt this way about me.

Yeah, and even like sometimes my brother and my dad in particular, like still in the trenches of dealing with like masculine norms and like being uncomfortable with emotions and stuff.

Now they're definitely a lot better now than like where we were as children.

But there's still this kind of like discomfort.

I've written poems about my dad and about my brother.

And they're like...

happy about them and they like the poems but you can tell it makes them uncomfortable to be talked about in kind of like an emotional way okay and it's interesting because they're not like oh don't put that up there's just this natural discomfort with being like perceived in a kind of emotional and soft way and that probably just relates to like

how men perceive themselves and how they think they should be and all.

And then I'm like perceiving them in like maybe an alternate way.

And they're like, what the hell's going on here?

Yeah.