Daryl Gibson

That would be my take.

And we've got a remarkable opportunity here in Christchurch with a new stadium to actually do that.

You know, people are going to come.

It'll be interesting to see.

Is it a two to three year honeymoon where we've actually got gravitas around the game again?

It's cool to go to rugby.

I'd be interested to see what we do.

And I think, Martin, what gives me great comfort is when I hear our players talk to that impact, you know, they still retain the same things that we cared about when we were players, which is great.

You know, the whole professionalism stuff and being paid for what you do and all that stuff, that could really cloud what's really important as A, the love for our game and the values that sit behind

that love, which we all should share.

And so when I hear players talking that language and that meaning, it gives me great comfort that you're right.

There are people who care, who love the game just as much as we do.

Absolutely.

And I think that's why I really are drawn to the women's game at the moment, because they're at a different stage in their professional evolution.

And to me, they are authentic.

You know, Ruby Tui, they tell it as it is.

And we were once like that.

before social media and then, you know, you get haters and criticism and so forth.

And so you get quite a bland sort of interview.

But it's great when, as you say, you get the real story.