Daryn Kagan

And at that pay rate, that pay rate, they will kind of scoot you out.

And I came up with my idea.

I decided I wanted to do uplifting and positive news.

And it was just the beginning of journalists being entrepreneurs.

I mean, by the beginning, I mean the very, very beginning.

So I went and had my own website built.

I came up with what I thought was a good business model, which actually wasn't, but it was a thing to go do.

And so when they said, now it's time, I was like, okay.

I did go, I did say to the big boss at the time, I said, hey, I actually have this idea and it might be good for here.

And they never asked me what.

They didn't say what it was.

I said, oh, good luck to you.

And they let me go.

And then meanwhile, after I left, then they started like CNN Heroes.

And they did start a lot of kind of good news, positive things.

But that's okay.

That was their thing.

And I went off to do mine.

I think there was.

And I will be so bold as to say there is an expiration date, not for like if you're a really big star, not for the Barbara Walters or whatever.