Dave Davies

I mean the shooter was not from Orange County.

That was Robert Bowers.

But he was influenced by an Orange County group called the Rise Above Movement, right?

They were pushing the so-called replacement theory that whites were being replaced by others, right?

So I want to talk about Sam Woodward who was the guy who murdered Blaise Bernstein, a gay Jewish college student, which is one of the stories at the heart of this.

He became interested in extremist thinking as a teenager.

What were his influences?

What got him there?

He switched high schools eventually, left the art school.

Right.

You mentioned that he tried college and then quit and came home and began keeping a journal on his cell phone, which eventually was examined after his arrest.

What kind of entries were there in this journal?

Woodward meets a guy named Tristan Evans who recruits him to come to Texas and join a group called the Atomwaffen Division.

First of all, does that have a meaning in German?

Okay.

What is the Atomwaffen division?

So Sam Woodward, this guy from Orange County, goes to Texas with this group of Adam Woffin followers.

How much did his parents know about where he was going?

How did they react?

So he comes back.