Dave Donald

Now, there's a lot of other factors in kitchens, like refrigerators and fridges, that aren't under the management of a housing organisation, but also have a huge impact on people's health.

Yeah, look, every single of those 350,000 things we've fixed over the last 40 years, the trades have to tell us, in their professional opinion, what is the cause of that failure.

And what they've come back with over the 40 years is 7% of the reasons, the smallest number is tenant-related damage.

That's the smallest amount.

The next number, 18%, is poor hardware or poor construction.

And by far the biggest number, 75%, is standard wear and tear or lack of maintenance.

So we know, and look, we've done a lot of work over the last 20, 30 years on that middle number, the 18%.

And the data is starting to show in the Northern Territory where we've been running projects over the last six years, that 18% is down more around the 10%.

So that tells us that the hardware, the health hardware going into houses in communities in the NT at the moment is far superior than it was when we began this work 30, 40 years ago.

And that's a fantastic sign.

And that's come from a lot of hard work from architects, designers working in this field.

But the biggest number and the biggest story here is if we want to have the biggest impact on the health of the people in the house,

It's time to target that 75%.

That's where we need to improve the maintenance programs of the houses.

And we do that by cyclical maintenance.

Look, from our projects, it comes from various sources.

Sometimes from community have generated their own money.

Sometimes, typically government programs.

In many states, it's through housing departments.

In New South Wales, it's through the health department.