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Chapter 1: What updates are there on the diphtheria outbreak in Australia?
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Norman, I think when I am moving the body, when I'm eating really well, lots of fruit and veggies, and I'm kind of engaged socially with the people that matter to me, my mood is better.
Yeah, I think that's true of everybody. Sometimes it's just hard to maintain. Things get in the way, you drop it, and you wonder why you're feeling a bit crap. And it might just be because you've let some of that go. And that's one of the things we're going to be looking at on today's health report.
I'm Priya Alexander on Wurundjeri land.
And I'm Norman Swan on Kabi Kabi land.
Also coming up on the show, we're going to take a deep dive into diphtheria, Australia's current outbreak. Why is it happening? How do we get control of it? And we're going to explore the housing element, Norman.
Yes, because we had a spray about housing last week on the show, about how overcrowding is part of the cause here. And I got a bit of pushback there and saying, don't fully understand what's going on in housing in Australia. And we've got a really interesting architect who talks about health hardware in housing and how it's got to be maintained. New concepts, and we're going to be covering that.
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Chapter 2: How is housing maintenance linked to public health?
I'm not going to charge you anything on top of it. And at the moment, if I bulk bill you, you can verbally consent to me bulk billing you and accepting the Medicare benefit for the service, or you can electronically consent. And it's quite easy at the moment. So we do a lot of telehealth, people can verbally consent.
And you can imagine that it's really a simple process currently for patients who are older, who don't really access emails and devices, for people in nursing homes, for people living with disability. So it's a system that's very fluid currently.
So now they seem to, if I understand it correctly, they're getting rid of forms, but you've got a sign. And I assume this is the Department of Health worried about Medicare fraud, and therefore there's got to be proof of the fact that you've had a consultation.
Well, what's going to happen is, you're right, we can't now bulk bill a patient unless they have given their assignment consent and we need to be able to show it. So it could be paper, paper's not out the window, but really it will need to be on an iPad or it will need to be collected when the patient books their appointment online and it needs to be with every single service.
So you can't say this is my general practice and for the next year, this is my assignment for everything that I get.
Every single time. Now, my fear is this.
Just before you go on, why the bellyache? Because that's what used to happen since Medicare came in in the early 80s. You signed the form.
Well, the bellyache is that we need to keep this for two years on record. It needs to be every single time. It sounds straightforward, but on the 1st of July, there are actually multiple other things coming in, other legal changes, which are going to make it really complex.
And I'm really worried for reception staff who we could not do our job without, but who are going to get a lot of, I suspect, frustration and anger from patients because of all the changes. But Norman, what about people in nursing homes? What about people living with disability in assisted living conditions? So it's already difficult to get a GP to go out and service these areas.
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Chapter 3: What are the everyday steps to protect against depression?
lessen the likelihood of falls. And Ian also found that there were risks attached to calcium supplements, cardiac risks. So this has gone to and froing, and the early research was criticized as being lousy. And now the British Medical Journal has published a review of about 150,000-odd patients in about 69 trials of calcium and vitamin supplements.
There weren't that many trials in osteoporosis, so it was mostly people who were healthy and getting older and didn't make a difference.
And community dwelling and not at high risk of fractures or falls. I think very important to state that.
So those are the caveats.
Yes.
And in fact, in that situation, there is pretty much no benefit of calcium supplementation by itself, vitamin D supplementation by itself, or supplements with them both together. So then the question is... Yes.
You've read my mind, Norman Swan.
What about people who have osteoporosis? They've got significant thinning of the bones, high risk of fractures. This was a low-risk group. That's a situation you have to deal with a lot, I presume, Priya?
Yes, and the guidelines are very different. I think we need to be really clear that we're talking about people getting older in the community, not high risk of falls, no osteoporosis. This is saying calcium, vitamin D, routine supplementation. It doesn't appear to have a benefit on fractures or fall outcomes.
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Chapter 4: What does recent research say about calcium and vitamin D supplementation?
So the classic thing in an epidemic is the bug, the people and the environment. So has the bug changed?
At this stage, there does not seem to be any evidence that the bug has changed or it's behaving any differently. There is more research that could be done here, but certainly talking to our laboratory experts and committees, that that does not seem to be a factor in the current outbreak.
So then there's the host, the people. Have they changed or has the environment changed in which they are?
And, you know, from the data we have, you know, at the national level, it's pretty hard to say. And I guess the answer is I'm not really sure. One thing to do with what has changed is there's a high level of awareness and testing.
So as this outbreak took off, there was more case and contact management taking place and significant vaccination efforts and really mobilised efforts in affected communities. So we know that in responding to individual cases, we will always find more cases.
But you asked earlier about whether there was sort of undetection, and there has been raised as a possibility of undetected cutaneous transmission. So the skin version of the bacteria may have been spreading without us seeing it.
But the other thing I just think is important to add to that context is, you know, in talking with colleagues at NACCHO, the National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation, They're very quick to point out that the message about being tested for sore throats and skin wounds in Aboriginal communities is very consistent.
So the clinical practice does not appear to be a reason why now we're seeing more cases of diphtheria.
So it's not a diagnostic phenomenon. Because you're anxious about it, you're diagnosing more. But because of scabies and other skin problems and the risk of rheumatic fever, there's a higher degree of alertness in Aboriginal medical services already.
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Chapter 5: How does the outbreak of diphtheria differ from previous cases?
Look, this has been an evolving space over many years. There has been a great tradition of architects working with community over 10, 20, 30 years to engage, design culturally sensitive, healthy, safe houses. At the moment, the focus tends to be more on modular housing by government, but these things go in cycles. Certainly, you know, it's absolutely important and fundamental to
to sit down with people and help to design and ask people what they want.
Now, before you go in to do this fixing work, give me a sense of the data about what proportion of things are actually working, whether the electricity is safe and so on.
Yeah, look, normally when we've... So we've been working now in almost, as of this week, 11,000 houses around the country. We've surveyed and fixed over 40 years and we've fixed close to 353,000 items in those houses. So this data... comes from those surveys and those fixes. Now, generally, when we walk into a house, we're finding about 8% of houses have a safe electrical system.
We know with a small 8%, it's a shocking number. With a small amount of money, we can shift that number up closer to 90%. We know when we walk through the door, 39% of houses have a working shower.
And
And we can get that up to a similar number, near 90%.
And kitchens?
Kitchens are much harder. Kitchens are down around 6%, and we can get that up to about 30%. Now, there's a lot of other factors in kitchens, like refrigerators and fridges, that aren't under the management of a housing organisation, but also have a huge impact on people's health.
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Chapter 6: What role does vaccination play in controlling diphtheria?
Yes, that's right. And look, the background is we've known for some time that certain daily actions are linked to good mental health. And this is the latest study in the research program that's really tried to examine this in more depth and systematically ask questions about which actions are most important.
If we can identify those actions and we nudge them in people who are struggling, can we see an improvement in mental health? And this most recent study asked the opposite question, well, what happens if we actually ask people without symptoms of depression and anxiety to restrict these actions.
Interesting ethical issue there, asking people to kind of essentially do themselves harm.
Well, you know, this is, it's a really good question. I'm glad you raised it. We obviously have done a lot of work in preparation for this trial, but we, of course, worked really hard with our ethics boards All consumers or participants provided informed consent. They were fully aware of what the protocol involved, and there were multiple touch points to support people during the trial.
But what was really interesting when we were thinking about this trial over the last few years in preparation was that we realized these questions hadn't actually appeared to have been systematically asked in previous research.
Can you just explain what the things you do are? So you're talking about these behavioural things that people can do to improve their mental wellbeing. What exactly are they?
So what we asked them to do, we administered a very simple questionnaire which had 15 different items. Those items each corresponded to one of the five domains that I just mentioned. And what we did was we asked people how often they did those. And most people, of course, because they were healthy, That is, we recruited people without symptoms. They were doing these actions most of the time.
So what we asked them to do was to not necessarily stop the actions, but just restrict. So an example might be people going to the gym five times a week. We said, look, how about you cut down to once or twice a week? Other people, they were socializing every day. We asked them again to reduce down to once or twice a week instead of every day.
I saw in the intervention group, Nick, so the people who you asked to basically stop these behaviours and then reintroduce them, they were getting a kind of weekly phone call to check in and to ask any questions that they might have had.
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Chapter 7: What are the implications of housing quality on health in remote communities?
And Esther writes, hello, Dr. Norman and Dr. Priya, love your work. I was just wondering if the eating disorder study you mentioned looked into the eating disorder avoidant restrictive food intake disorder, which is also known as ARFID at all. It is a lesser known disorder and, as I understand it, difficult to treat. Thanks. Keep up the good work. It didn't, I don't think.
No, it didn't. And anorexia nervosa wasn't very good for either. And we should probably do a program on ARFID at some point.
Yes, we should.
But the ARFID is, you know, it wasn't known until a few years ago and now it is a real problem. It's happening in children. There may well be a result of changing feeding practices when a child is young. And it's interesting, but once a child has got it and a lesson has got it, it's actually quite hard to treat.
We should do a segment on it. This is an excellent little reminder to us.
It is.
We've also had Lana write in, in response to our plastic-associated chemical story. So that was, of course, the study that looked at excretion of these plastic-associated chemicals in urine.
And Lana writes, Dear Norman and Priya, regarding your podcast about microplastics in our environment, you have not mentioned about the BPA coating on supermarket receipts and other store thermal receipts in general. From what I have read, by touching these receipts, you can get BPA transferred onto your skin and then absorbed into your blood. Your thoughts on this are greatly appreciated.
Now, Norman, that's you. Gosh, that's your domain. Go on. Should we do a bonus episode?
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Chapter 8: What behavioral changes can improve mental health?
I try and save the planet. But can I just say, I've just sat in the consulting room a couple of days ago, and I keep saying this, Norman, there's big fish to fry out there. Try and get your veggies in and move your body and reduce your alcohol intake and stay socially connected. There's big things to fry here.
Yeah, it's not the BPA on your receipt. It's what the goods are on the BPA. Are there carrots? Are there greens?
Yeah. And are you feeling socially connected? Can you call someone if you're in an emergency? These are the things that I talk to patients about that we often aren't doing well. So I would say...
Yeah, I just call the assistant over because the machine's not working. But anyway, that's my social contact.
I thought you meant in an emergency. I meant in an emergency. I know you do. Oh, yeah, okay. Not in the supermarket. But please write to us. We love hearing from you, including if you have any story ideas. Our email is healthreport at abc.net.au.
And don't forget our sister podcast, What's That Rash? And this week we talk about the weather and your joints. Is there a relationship?
Mine are okay for now.
Can we know? I'm glad they're okay.
Thank you. We know yours aren't, but I'll see you next week.
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