Dave Eggers

And so

The fact that we've been around this long is, I mean, now we publish books and, you know, it's a shock to me because I saw it as like a one-year experiment.

And so, but you know how it is when other people join the troop, they keep it going.

They carry the next stretch and they re-inspire.

you even when you're tired.

It's always more likely because you need to incubate it among a small group of people and you just please your trio of friends.

But if you seek to make something for a mass audience, boy, that's tough.

Yeah, I mean...

Literary journals have a very low ceiling in terms of if you have 10,000 subscribers, you're like the biggest literary journal on this planet, which is just means that we're all very small, but there's small devoted audiences and all you really want to do.

I mean, this is how I feel like with any art form.

If you're able to continue doing that thing, meaning our subscribers pay a hundred dollars to get four issues a year, which is like a lot.

Yeah.

but that sustains the staff of five.

you know, and then the writers that get paid.

And if you're allowed to just keep doing it, that's 99% the measure of success is... You get to keep doing it.

Get to keep doing it.

That's great.

And I really, same thing with writing books.

If somebody's willing to, you know, kill a bunch of trees to put out your book and say, yeah, we'll do the next one too, that's like the greatest gift you could ever have.

And that sense that they'll be with you even if you write a book about a...