Dave Hanratty

They've got to have the best of the best, right?

I mean, like they have to have the greatest PR agencies, the savviest people in the world telling you what to do and what not to say, crucially.

I do wonder, does he have someone employed to do the kind of memento mori thing?

You know, the remember you are mortal, remember you are loved, remember you must die.

Like that thing of just like, keep your feet on the ground, man.

Like you're going too far here.

But that level of...

i need the prestige i need the knighthood that's the next thing and if i get the knighthood well that unlocks this new path for me in the world of fame and so on it's just like when is you use the phrase gilded cage earlier on it's like when is enough enough for these people um i guess maybe they're happy see that you've got to always qualify all this conversation with but maybe they're really happy and having a great life that's the thing i don't know

No, no, no.

The other two.

And then there's Harper.

And a 14-year-old daughter, I think.

Especially because people ask the questions, take the photos, and that's part of it.

But also, again, no matter what family you come from in this world, you used the example of Christmas earlier on.

This thing of shoving everyone together in the room, no matter what, to get the photo, to get the veneer and potential facade of a happy family.

But actually, the fractures are unavoidable in these cases.

And it's incredible because it's just like this thing of...

your family becomes a machine.

It's an industrial complex.

How could that be fun for absolutely anybody?