Dave Letele

But then if they perceive you to be, to get even more successful, sometimes they just don't want to see people.

Sometimes they just don't want to see you win.

Oh, that now makes sense.

Yeah, no, you're right.

It's very hard.

And I feel for your parents.

That's really sad.

That was really sad.

It's –

I mean, it happens to us.

We're a large organisation in terms of the work we do, health, food bank, all these things, just service.

That must help.

It helps the soul.

People say, why do you do this?

And you say, so when you look at someone,

and their lives are better just because you guys, we exist, their lives are better.

That's the, you can't beat that feeling.

But because I am so outspoken, we don't, it's mainstream support.

We get little bits of, I put there, great Pasifika people in the system, great Māori people in the system, great people in the system fighting for community groups like us, but mainstream don't want to come near me anymore.

But probably like your parents, I don't think, well, I've got this platform.