Dave Mortensen

But what is important is leaders in a room that are intrigued to hear the voice of everybody.

I will say having a voice is very, very important.

Last but not least, believe it or not, for Chuck and I, we need people with a sense of humor.

We need people that are fun to be around because I don't need a bunch of dry nuts in our organization to be very candid with you because they just don't last that long for us.

We want a sense of humor.

And if you take yourself too serious, we always say take the business as serious as can be, but don't take yourself too seriously.

And those are the elements that we look for when we bring people on.

I think the weakness when I say this a lot of times in podcasts is to say, you need to know who you are as a leader and surround yourself with people who have similar cultural beliefs.

Because if you have a broken culture, the talent's not going to go anywhere.

A little bit of everyone.

You know, our recruiters, we've had wins and failures in those.

We've had, you know, just networking.

You know, because we are a high cultural organization and people hear about us, they're going to reach out to us.

Always telling our teams we're always hiring.

You know, I think that's important.

We're always hiring for great talent.

So if you know someone...

introduce us so a lot of it's been things like that but you know just having an intriguedness to always be looking for quality is really really important and and when you have an open door policy like we do i mean if you read the the plaque that had been in front of my office door uh for years it's simply just ask you have to have that open door policy all the time and that's what's uh the differentiator from a good leader is they need to make sure they're open to great talent

I'm a firm believer, go to dinner with them.

Um, sometimes go to dinner with their family, depending on the level of person you're bringing into the organization, because you'll learn a lot from the, their environment and you let them lead that.