Dave Mortensen

And when and I'm interested to learn more about those gaps.

So having people understand their gaps.

in life are very very important if they're constantly trying to mask them they're not improving if you're spending more time trying to hide your weaknesses or hide anything well guess what then you're gonna have a lot of gaps um selfless

We need people who are selfless.

If you are going to build a large organization, you can't have I people in the room.

And Chuck and I have zero tolerance.

We don't like titles, right?

I'm not a big title guy, and I don't like I people in the room.

But what is important is leaders in a room that are intrigued to hear the voice of everybody.

I will say having a voice is very, very important.

Last but not least, believe it or not, for Chuck and I, we need people with a sense of humor.

We need people that are fun to be around because I don't need a bunch of dry nuts in our organization to be very candid with you because they just don't last that long for us.

We want a sense of humor.

And if you take yourself too serious, we always say take the business as serious as can be, but don't take yourself too seriously.

And those are the elements that we look for when we bring people on.

I think the weakness when I say this a lot of times in podcasts is to say, you need to know who you are as a leader and surround yourself with people who have similar cultural beliefs.

Because if you have a broken culture, the talent's not going to go anywhere.

A little bit of everyone.

You know, our recruiters, we've had wins and failures in those.

We've had, you know, just networking.