Dave Mortensen

Well, guess what?

It wasn't that great.

Yeah, I mean, you point to something and that that's interesting is that, you know, we in these institutionalized businesses that we all end up creating as we scale.

When you get to a certain level of leadership, you can get to this place where the institution reinforces that you're always right.

You know, it's kind of a scary place to be because you've done this, right?

I mean, gosh, Dave, you built this huge business.

You must now always have the right answers.

And the institution kind of reinforces that because if you say something and it sounds like you recruited really good people who are willing to challenge you, but it might be hard to disagree with Dave because he's got this evidence to validate that he makes great decisions, right?

And this leads maybe to one of my final questions before we do just a quick lightning round, which is how do you maintain a culture

where people continue to challenge you in spite of your success?

One, you have to be welcome to be challenged and you got to embrace it and ask for it.

As leaders, as we grow in leadership, less people want to challenge you and you're absolutely right.

So you need to ask them to, I need to hear your opinion.

And that's where you get curious about the voice not speaking in the room.

Always ask the voice not speaking what's going through their head because that's where you're going to hear some great things.

What we tell our company all the time, and I think this is important for business, is there's an 80-20 rule in almost everything you do.

And I'll tell you this, great ideas for our organization do not happen at corporate, do not happen out of my mouth.

They don't.

80% of the ideas that come to the table are pretty good ideas.

20% is noisy, right?