David Allison

It was the time I think of that Jerry Maguire movie being popular, show me the money.

He was like, show me the data.

So what I sort of said is, people keep raising these questions of harms.

I said, show me the data.

Can anybody send me?

And it was sincere.

I said, this is an open call.

And I sent it to like some of the top people in the world, including those who are a little bit hesitant on protein intake or denigrated.

And I said, can anybody send me one or more papers that are intervention studies, not observational ones, that are in humans, ideally randomized, but I'll take an intervention even if it's not randomized, but it's got to be controlled.

Controlled intervention study in humans feeding different levels of protein in which the different levels of protein intake are separable from other effects that show deleterious effects

on a clinically or intrinsically meaningful endpoint.

Don't show me that this molecule changed, or this gut microbiota changed.

What do I do with that?

Why do I care that that gut microbiota changed?

Nobody cares about those things intrinsically.

We care about them only insofar as if

they give us heart attacks or strokes or earlier or later death or greater strength or make us better looking.

We care about how long we live, how good we look, how we feel, our strength, what we can do.

We don't intrinsically care about whether this molecule in our body is higher than that molecule or this gut microbe.

And I said, can anybody send me one?