David Allison

We dealt with sugar for a while.

Those are still floating around.

Even if you say there's a single definition like NOVA, I can't recite for you the exact criteria, but it's the number of steps, it's the degrees of steps, it's the types of steps.

Most things that come in a package are now viewed as ultra-processed.

That's right.

Number of greens, number of steps.

But you're right.

Dried fruit, even fruit that's cut up is processed.

Wine is processed.

Cheese is processed.

Milk is homogenized.

Sometimes it's pasteurized, hopefully.

Almost everything we eat is processed.

And for that matter, I don't want to eat a lot of certain unprocessed foods.

There's lots of evidence that unprocessed dairy products cause a lot of harm.

One thread I just want to throw out quickly, we may or may not have time and interest in coming back to it, is the idea that fewer calories are better, at least to a point.

To a point is true, but one of the things, particularly with protein...

is we look at some of these studies that people are citing.

So I realize I'm sort of looping back to our prior conversation, but these are from the mouse looking at longevity.

And it's interesting, they're very dependent on ambient temperature.