David Boree

Another crew member on the ride down from Alaska who's just kind of there, they're just there for the adventure.

So they leave and don't come back after they get to the bay.

But this person expressed an opinion that Ziz consistently came off as creepy, but not scary.

At one point, he says that she confronted him and told him he was transgender.

And when he's like, no, I'm really not.

She told him he was.

Yes.

She does this a lot.

Tells people, I know that you're this.

This is and it works like that's how a number of her followers get to her.

Um, but she also it doesn't work a lot of time.

A lot of people are like, No, I'm not, you know, whatever it is you're saying she does this to Gwyn too.

So I don't doubt his story.

Like, she just kind of decides things about people and then tries to brute force them into accepting that about herself.

And when there are people who are like both desperate for like approval and affection and also who are housing insecure and need the boat or wherever to live with her, those people feel a lot, a number of them feel like a significant pull to just kind of accept whatever Ziz is saying about them.

Yeah, I mean, when you're desperate in that way, you kind of definitely find yourself bending things to have a roof over your head.

Right, yep.

And it's a very normal cult thing, right?

Like this is an aspect of all of that kind of behavior.

Now, by this point, a few other people have come to live in the rationalist fleet.