David Boree

And this is where we...

Get to divergent stories.

Curtis Lind, the landlord story, is that he was very supportive of these people and of trans people in general, taking one Zizian out to shop for her first bra.

His friends and family say he was a decent guy.

And I actually, when I started talking about writing these episodes on Blue Sky, someone chimed in to say they had known him too and that he was a nice person.

I don't know.

To Ziz, he was a landlord, and there are claims from the Zizians that he was verbally abusive and transphobic.

By the end of 2021, after a year and a half of unpaid rent, Lind had started working on the process of having police evict them.

He and other residents claimed that the Zizians had become aggressive, acting as if the property was theirs now, threatening other people, basically squatting on it and like being violent at times, including like throwing rocks at Lind's cabin and brandishing knives at other people.

So there are allegation knives.

Yeah, yeah.

They have taken to like threateningly playing with knives while talking about how they will not leave the property or pay rent.

And you get the feeling like I'm not again, I'm not I'm not against the idea that this again, ambitious slumlord may have done some problematic things.

But it sounds like the Zizians are being pretty deeply abusive to everyone around them.

Right, right.

Which is also they believe is praxis is like these other people who are not who don't who aren't double good and who aren't aware of the great work.

They're not working towards the cause.

They're a causal is the term they're use.

Their lives don't really have value.

If you're not working for the cause, this earlier will decide.