David Duvenaud

They still get like better welfare and stuff.

So that's one reason why, like historically, people were afraid of like the Industrial Revolution, but it ended up being good.

People are making the same argument now and we're making the case that it's actually importantly different now, which I think is like.

I think people are right to be skeptical, right?

Because everyone's always saying, don't automate my jobs, it's going to ruin my life.

And it sort of like always ends up being for the greater good, except we claim it going forward.

However, maybe to be unfairly psychologize the EX, I think a bit of it is like wanting to join the winning team.

Like you can kind of see that like growth is probably going to win in some sense, at least in the future.

And you want to be on the winning team for various reasons.

And actually, for this reason, I think I have different intuitions about accidental suffering and not granting moral patient to machines.

I think that's absolutely a real danger.

And we have strong incentives to downplay the problem and just not ask the machines if they're suffering as long as they're doing useful work.

But I guess to me, there's another huge thing that's happening, which is that people want to join the winning team.

They want to be on the right side of history.

And I think what's going to happen is people are going to be seeing like, oh, the cool kids are the AIs.

They are making all the great culture.

They're being impressive.

They're making people happy, except in this indirect way by making them lose their jobs.

They're going to end up having rights.

especially people who are already disenfranchised or don't have much to lose, are basically their best option is going to be to throw their lot in with empowering AIs politically.