David E. Sanger

I don't believe there's been a full press conference with President Biden since the NATO summit last summer, just before he dropped out of the race.

I don't believe there's been a full press conference with President Biden since the NATO summit last summer, just before he dropped out of the race.

That's right. And he did one interview with USA Today.

That's right. And he did one interview with USA Today.

In that, I'll be interested to see what Zolan and Maggie thought. I didn't think that he used the moment to sort of put his presidency in the scale of history.

In that, I'll be interested to see what Zolan and Maggie thought. I didn't think that he used the moment to sort of put his presidency in the scale of history.

It sure does, Michael, because it raises the question, when, Mr. President, did you come to that conclusion? Right.

It sure does, Michael, because it raises the question, when, Mr. President, did you come to that conclusion? Right.

Right. At that last press conference that I mentioned, the NATO press conference, I asked him whether or not he thought that he could take on a sit-down meeting with Putin or Xi in two or three years. And he basically said, absolutely. That was July. Right. Right. Okay. That he definitely could go do that. And what are we hearing from him now?

Right. At that last press conference that I mentioned, the NATO press conference, I asked him whether or not he thought that he could take on a sit-down meeting with Putin or Xi in two or three years. And he basically said, absolutely. That was July. Right. Right. Okay. That he definitely could go do that. And what are we hearing from him now?

Well, no one can predict what I'm going to be like when I'm approaching 86. Well, that's true of everybody, you know, in that age group.

Well, no one can predict what I'm going to be like when I'm approaching 86. Well, that's true of everybody, you know, in that age group.

And I hope that all of us in this conversation get to the point where we have to go make that decision ourselves. But I'd love to know when he came to this conclusion.

And I hope that all of us in this conversation get to the point where we have to go make that decision ourselves. But I'd love to know when he came to this conclusion.

Oh, yeah. That was exactly what you thought it was. Just translate that. You know, so the eulogy was about Jimmy Carter, but it was about Jimmy Carter as the anti-Trump. And I think that is what Biden truly believes. And so you had this odd duality as I was watching it.

Oh, yeah. That was exactly what you thought it was. Just translate that. You know, so the eulogy was about Jimmy Carter, but it was about Jimmy Carter as the anti-Trump. And I think that is what Biden truly believes. And so you had this odd duality as I was watching it.

And it struck me, Michael, not to follow your Forrest Gump comparisons for too long, because I'm not sure I really like that one very much. But these are the five presidents I've covered. And these were five remarkably different people. But four of them worked within the institutions, even though we had our doubts at various moments during the Iraq war about George W. Bush.

And it struck me, Michael, not to follow your Forrest Gump comparisons for too long, because I'm not sure I really like that one very much. But these are the five presidents I've covered. And these were five remarkably different people. But four of them worked within the institutions, even though we had our doubts at various moments during the Iraq war about George W. Bush.

And one of them has celebrated living outside the institution. And one way you could look at the five people who were standing there was to say, this moment too shall pass. We've had good presidents, bad presidents, presidents who broke laws, presidents who didn't break laws. I'm sure a lot of people looked at this and looked at Bill Clinton and said, here is an impeached president standing here.

And one of them has celebrated living outside the institution. And one way you could look at the five people who were standing there was to say, this moment too shall pass. We've had good presidents, bad presidents, presidents who broke laws, presidents who didn't break laws. I'm sure a lot of people looked at this and looked at Bill Clinton and said, here is an impeached president standing here.