David Enrich

And those investigations went nowhere, maybe because there wasn't evidence, but also it could be because there's a long history of federal investigators not aggressively pursuing cases that involve white-collar defendants.

When you have some of the richest, most powerful people in the world, it is not surprising and it's not a conspiracy to think that those people might get away with it.

Yeah, I think that's right.

And I think there's been a lot of really good reporting that has peeled back a lot of layers of the Epstein story.

I do think that there are still a bunch of layers left to unpeel, and I'm not holding out a huge degree of confidence that these files, as they get released, are going to do much of that peeling.

Mm-hmm.

But I do think there are still a ton of important questions that have not been answered.

And I think the Epstein saga for years now has been kind of a political Rorschach test and that people on the left or many people on the left view it as a weapon with which to go after Donald Trump.

I think on the right, a lot of people view this as a vehicle to attack kind of liberal globalist institutions and individuals.

And I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, right?

That there are a lot of very rich, powerful men involved

who enabled Epstein and may have participated in some of his crimes.

I do not think that there has been very much accountability for those men yet.

And I don't think that we have a full sense of what information may or may not be in these government files pertaining to those men.

But I think the reason people think that there may be more shoes to drop is

It's partly that their dreams of having their political enemies crushed by the Epstein scandal remain unfulfilled.

But it's also partly a recognition that there were so many people involved in supporting Epstein and allowing his criminal network to prosper that it just doesn't feel right that only two people, Jeffrey Epstein and his associate Ghislaine Maxwell, have really been held to account for this so far.

Well, look, dying in a jail cell is no one's idea of a happy ending.

That said, the story of Epstein is really one of impunity.

And he, as you said, got away with this for years despite repeated red flags, despite many warnings, despite many victims coming forward and trying to blow the whistle on him.