David Fajgenbaum

So they're leaving mutated, and so they're not good at reading its own DNA.

You did a 180.

I did, I did.

Yeah, yeah.

And that kind of distended stomach you get when you, I forget what condition that's called, but yeah, there's a lot happening.

A lot's happening, yes.

True vulnerability hits when you relapse like that.

And you had three relapses in five years?

Okay, so when do you get the kind of breakthrough thought that maybe I should approach this in an off-label way?

And let's just talk about off-labeling in medicine and how that works.

4,000 FDA approved prescriptions one could be given.

As someone who loves someone going through that stuff, you're always really having a hard time debating whether or not you're going to snuff out their hope or help them get to the part where we have closure.

That's what you're trying to navigate.

Like, no, my love, it's time for us to take stock of all the good stuff and have as much gratitude as we can have on the way out.

So once you have this idea, where do you start?

There's 4,000 drugs.

You start doing classes of drugs.

There's a doctor dealing with six patients over here that calls it this thing.

It could be the same thing, right?

Exactly.