David Fajgenbaum

Of course.

I'm glad you did that.

Yeah.

And so there's a way for Eric to get that out that's not gross.

Yeah, it's a really powerful force to do things secretly.

It's a good goal.

It is.

But again, so me saying that there seems to be no reward on the other side of it is also me saying like, oh, this is interesting because I know there is a reward, but I can't even imagine it, which is interesting and fun because I'm so locked into this architecture of like –

People approve of you.

That's how you know you're doing the right thing.

It's like people approve of you.

Right.

And that's where the growth is, is that why don't I value at all if I think I'm good?

Yes.

Why doesn't my opinion about myself matter at all?

Unless it's negative, then I think it's very important.

Like when I'm self-flagellating, I think I'm the most astute observer of me in the world.

And so, yeah, I think I am going into it with a blind faith that one day I'll wake up and go, oh, this is the reward.

And I love it.

But it is a bit of a blind faith pivot.