David French

It's Trump and the 77, 78 million people who voted for him.

And that is the message that has been sent.

It's the message that's being absorbed and it's going to haunt us for a generation.

Jamal?

I mean, let me put it this way.

We've had a global rules-based order that's always been teetering from the moment it was created.

So it's always been relatively fragile, in part because, you know, you had the five powers of the Security Council—Russia, China, France, Great Britain, and the United States—

So long as the most powerful of those five, the United States, was largely in agreement, never perfectly, but largely in agreement with the rules-based order, it could kinda stick together.

It would be like this tape and bailing wire and everything, but it was holding together enough to do the number one thing it was designed to do, which is to prevent great power conflict.

But if you take the most powerful of those five countries

and you remove them from the category of largely siding with the rules-based order like Britain and France, and turn them into something much more like an independent autonomous actor like Russia and China, then you fracture it, and we're already entering into a moment of real peril as a result.

Why are you against volcano insurance, Jamel?

That's right.

He is pro-lava.

So here's one thing that is, there's a couple of things that are driving me crazy about this debate.

Number one.

Just a couple?

Go ahead.

Just a couple.

Well, it was just the two top, top two things.