David Frum

Free trade.

Can't do it.

And say, tariffs are bad.

They say, well, I'm against dumb tariffs.

Dumb tariffs, yeah.

As opposed to smart tariffs.

There are smart tariffs.

And for ideological reasons, for interest group reasons, it's very hard for... Yeah.

And there's a lot of this... If we do move beyond Trump, I worry how much...

The next president, if there is a free and fair election in 28, how much will the next president unravel considering how little of Trump won, Biden unraveled?

The tariffs of Trump won, Biden unraveled.

You put your finger there on something that I've really been wrestling with a lot.

And I recently had this conversation with David Brooks.

So let me raise it again with you.

And I don't have yet a developed view on this.

I think about it all the time.

So I don't want to be glib and pretend this is an easy question.

And at the end of it, if you were to turn the tables, I wouldn't know what to answer.

So that said, there is a big part of me that wishes that Merrick Garland were right.

And Merrick Garland and Joe Biden were right in their first term approach, which is Donald Trump was this unfortunate error that the American people made.