David Frum

On the one hand, as you say, it's a highly bigoted presidency, a highly chauvinist presidency, and Trump certainly has won the support of people who are increasingly, not only outspoken, but flamboyantly anti-Semitic.

At the same time, Donald Trump acted to support Israel to win a much more decisive outcome in the Gaza war than the Biden presidency or a Kamala Harris presidency.

And he's acted against the Iranian nuclear program, which is an existential genocidal threat to half the Jewish people who live in Israel.

Most American Jews are opposed to the Trump presidency, but many of the most active and prominent American Jews are quite passionately in support of his presidency for the reasons I mentioned and for others as well.

How do you, as someone who's, as you said, began your political journey because of this Jewish inheritance, how do you make sense of Trump as a Jewish woman?

Let me push back on that just a little.

And again, I say this in a spirit of uncertainty, not in the spirit of argument.

The polls look pretty bad for Trump and his party at the moment that we speak.

Who knows whether that will continue?

Who knows whether Trump will try to find some way by fraud or by force to seek a third term.

He says so, and I think by now we should take those warnings seriously, although the body does fail us all in the end.

Trump's running mate and the presumptive front runner for the 2028 Republican nomination, assuming there's still a constitution in 2028,

is JD Vance, who's very, very close to Tucker Carlson.

And I will argue this with some of my more, again, Israel oriented Republican friends, but I think is clearly not a friend to either the Jewish state or the Jewish people.

On the other hand, assuming there is an election and J.D.

Vance is a Republican nominee, he will be running against a nominee from a party that just vetoed the most plausible looking running mate for Kamala Harris because he was Jewish and because he wouldn't renounce his support for Israel and wouldn't hedge his condemnation of anti-Semitic outbursts on American college campuses.

And where important voices in that party are saying that the test, their most important test for their support in 2028 is Holocaust inversion.

that they are looking for a nominee, will say that the perpetrators of the attempted annihilation of Israel on October 7th, 2023, that those attempted perpetrators were the victims of a Nazi-like genocide and the victims who fought back in self-defense, they were the Nazis who committed a genocide.

And that's,

for important parts of the Democratic Party, going to be the litmus test for their candidate in 2028.