David Frum

On the other hand, I do sometimes think,

There's something – the reason for the prominence of the never-Trump Republicans in the anti-Trump coalition is not just their novelty value.

I mean, everyone likes a conversion story.

But also, I think there's something important that we bring, and that is –

a sense of that this is a group that has a unique sense of the uniqueness of what is happening now.

And I'm sure you've seen often in the comments you get from readers or viewers or listeners, they'll say something, aha, we warned you that this was all when Dwight, the moment Dwight Eisenhower beat Adlai Stevenson, Trump was the inevitable outcome.

Absolutely.

All the time.

No, he's not the inevitable outcome of Dwight Eisenhower and Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford and

And George H.W.

Bush and George – he's different.

And we're here to tell you that as people who liked all those people, he's different.

And that's something – and because we liked all those people, we can tell you how and why he's different in a way that the typical commenter who's blaming Dwight Eisenhower for being the start of Donald Trump can't tell you.

Make him the head of the Department of Homeland Security.

Exactly.

He's got the mission.

And he's got a lot of guys who make perfect recruits for our new paramilitary force.

Yeah.

Are there realistic circumstances where you can see yourself reimagining yourself as a Republican and a conservative again?

I mean, obviously there are fantastical circumstances, but realistic circumstances where you can imagine yourself feeling at home again?