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David Frum

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The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

It's the Machiavelli explanation.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

What he thinks happened was that there was a decline in the civic virtue of the Roman people.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

And this decline in civic virtue was the key culprit of the collapse of the Roman Empire.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

What did he mean by civic virtue?

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

What he meant was a kind of self-denying, materially austere commitment to active citizenship, active participation in public life.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

There was more of that early.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

There was less of that later.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

As that civic participation declined, so did the Roman Empire.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

And many people who read his book in 1776 and after took from that reading a message that was in some ways very helpful to building modern societies, and we all should be active citizens, but also misleading.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

because it created an idea that people are more virtuous at one period, less virtuous at another.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

It made the story of the success or failure of societies very much a matter of individual behavior and less of institutional success.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

Now again, Gibbon was in no way a naive person.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

He understood the importance of institutions.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

One of the big villains of his book is the rise of the Christian church, which in his telling diverts Roman attention from this worldly to other worldly activities, from being willing to work on behalf of the Commonwealth in the here and now

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

to looking for some kind of reward in heaven for being less willing to use weapons, to serve in the military, and more inclined to privatize their life.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

And there's obviously some truth to this.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

Christianity did change the way the Roman civilization worked.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

But it's not clear that there was any less involvement in civic life, in Roman life, in the 400s or 500s than there was in the 100s when he begins his story.

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

But what he did introduce, and this is really the thing we need to be cautious of,

The David Frum Show
How Trump Could Break the 2026 Elections

was a kind of biologization of history, an idea of decline and decadence.