David Frum

But the other thing that it seems to be going on to the extent that this is a real phenomenon I'm describing is a feeling that simply having beliefs is in itself a sign of lameness and that the cool thing is not to have any.

Am I talking about anything real?

You're at the center of this business.

Do you see this?

Am I describing something you recognize?

maybe maybe msnbc had a few things right you know like maybe so i do think that there's a little bit of that cracking but it is a problem and it exists do you think there's any element of this two of the three presidential candidates running against donald trump were women and when when people mock the resist libs they often feminize women what they have in mind wine moms yes i don't imagine hassan piker's audience is very female and is there something that there's a kind of leftism or nihilism that is especially attractive to young men

and that is sort of uncomfortable with the idea, you know, the anti-Trump movement is in many ways a female-led movement, Sarah Longwell.

There's a little bit of alienated young men being alienated, not against their parents, but against their mothers.

So your background is in the world of messaging and political communication.

And so it is not your nature ever to say to any substantial group of people, you're just wrong.

But my business has always been a much, much popular one.

So I'm prepared sometimes to say to people, you're just right.

Isn't the job of saying, you know what?

The United States in the summer of 2015, it hadn't recovered fast enough from the Great Recession.

many of its foreign policy commitments were not working as advertised and people were frustrated with them got it and there does seem to be a slowdown in the rate of growth compared to what previous generations had and obviously there are the chronic problems of climate change and all true nevertheless

All of that calls for reform, not revolution.

The system is basically good and fair and worth defending.

And not only that, but individual action matters and you shouldn't just tune out and defect from the political process.

Sometimes you have to say to people, you're wrong.

You're wrong about, and cynicism,