David Gelles
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first heard Jan 2026
last heard 28 Jan
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What's happening in Minnesota and more broadly in our country right now was impossible to ignore, even though I was in Davos and I was speaking with leaders and executives from around the world.
It's weighing heavily on people's minds.
And the latest shooting was one data point.
But I would say more broadly, global leaders are looking at the United States with a real sense of concern.
What I heard is that they believe that beyond a more erratic foreign policy, they are seeing the erosion of social norms and, frankly, the erosion of a rule of law that they had come to count on from the United States.
And so whether it's what's happening in Minneapolis or events in Washington or, frankly, whatever the headlines are that I know we're all so overwhelmed by, this is front-page news around the world as well.
Well, first I'd say that was a remarkable speech, and it really was the talk of the town in Davos until President Trump made his own speech on Wednesday.
And I think it speaks to the fact that, indeed, leaders like Carney are having to respond in a number of ways.
On the one hand, it is true that, call it middle powers, as he did, are...
finding themselves in a position where they need to be more assertive against a long-time, extraordinarily powerful ally.
And it's not just on issues like trade.
Over the past several weeks, we saw that this is true on an issue that concerns national security, Greenland.
Until President Trump, while I was in the room on Wednesday, said he was not going to use force to seize Greenland,
All of the talk among the security professionals I had been with that week was about whether European troops were going to have to defend European territory against American aggression.
So there is a new question among middle powers and even our allies about whether and how adversarial they are going to have to be with the United States.
And in the very same moment, I want to emphasize how much of a sense, frankly, of loss there
there is.
There's a deep sense of worry, of concern that you might have for an old friend who's going through a hard time about what is happening in the United States.
And so what I found is leaders having to hold both of these motions at once.
On one hand, a deep sense of concern for an old friend, and at the very same moment, a recognition that they may have to take a tougher posture against that very same good friend.
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