David Grinspoon

For one thing, he wasn't famous when I first met him, when we first knew him.

And so seeing that whole phenomenon happen to somebody that you knew well was pretty interesting to me.

No, I was not implying a causal relationship there.

That, you know, I hate to say it, but all of the above, like, you know, like so many space scientists of my generation, I have to say that the Apollo moon landings were formative.

Like I was in fourth grade and we got we saw the people walking on the moon and it was amazing.

And then I became probably as a result of that, a space and science fiction geek.

When you're 11 years old and you're reading all this science fiction and watching the first actual human ventures into space, you don't necessarily differentiate.

It's all just like space in the future is cool.

So and then plus, obviously, I had some people in my life that I knew that were involved in space exploration, which was a big influencer.

So it was kind of all of the above.

It was just in the air, science fiction and what was happening in real life and what people I knew were involved in.

And it was just clear to me that space was where it was at and that was the future and that was what I wanted to be part of.

Wow.

And in retrospect, canceling Star Trek is like not giving tenure to Carl Sagan.

Yeah, exactly.

You did what?

You did what?

So Chuck, then can you explain to me like how dilithium crystals work?

Unobtainium.

Unobtainium is there.