David Grinspoon

And, you know, there's so much fun material to work with.

There's like, you know, those famous Collier's articles, Collier's magazine that Von Braun did with Walt Disney and Chesley Bonestell.

You know, there's so much.

I just mixed two different things up.

So Wernher von Braun, of course, was the former Nazi rocket scientist who invented basically the V2 in World War II and then came over with a bunch of other German scientists and was very instrumental in designing the Saturn V and getting us to the moon, the Apollo program.

Yeah.

I didn't know how much we should go into Operation Paperclip.

Right.

Well, he was also, you know, a proselytizer for space and a major popularizer.

And so he got together with Walt Disney, and they did these kind of propaganda films, but all about the great future of man in space.

Of course, it was man in space.

Mm-hmm.

then it wasn't humans and then they also did this series of articles with um chester lee bonestell who was almost like the original space artist or the guy that you know did the first very scientifically accurate and careful space art and they and he and von braun uh teamed up for the series of articles in collier's magazine i guess in the late 40s or early 50s early 50s yeah

In the 50s, thank you.

They're really fun to look at because it's all, you know, our future in space.

And, you know, very imaginative and very evocative.

And I think it really did help, you know, along with other efforts to kind of prepare the populace for thinking about space as this aperture to this wonderful future.

Oh, cool.

Yeah, no, that's right.

There was nothing.