David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

We haven't worn it out.

One of this funny metaphors that Trump came up with at one point was a human has like a limited number of steps in their life, right?

Like that's the longevity argument here.

You can do so much activity and then you run out.

There's some kernel in that idea that can be applied to a relationship.

There's some amount of exchange we can have.

There's some amount of time we can spend together where you can wear it out.

Jason and I were diligent about not wearing each other out.

And I think that is absolutely key to the longevity of the relationship combined with that level of trust and then just combining with the level that we really like the work itself.

Right.

We don't just like the brainstorming, the says where we just come up with good ideas.

No, we like to do the ideas and we like to be part of that process directly ourselves.

I like to program.

He likes to do design.

We could go off and do our little things for long stretches of time in case you come together and go like, hey, let's launch a great product.

Let me give you a tip.

Uh-huh.

Get a wife.

God damn it.

Get a couple of kids.