David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH)

Family really is the great antidote to loneliness.

And I mean that as sincerely as I can possibly say it.

I certainly had exactly that feeling you described early in my career when I was working remotely and I was just like,

me living in an apartment, a total stereotype where for the longest time, when I first moved to Chicago, all I had on the floor was a mattress.

And then I bought this big TV and I didn't even mount it.

And then I had a stack of DVDs and I was basically, I was working a lot of time and then I would just go home and I'd do that.

And

It wasn't great.

It really wasn't.

I do think that humans need humans.

And if you can't get them at work, and I actually sort of kind of don't want them at work, at least I don't want them 40 hours a week.

That's not what I prefer.

You need something else.

You need other relationships in your life.

And there's no greater depth of relationship if you can find someone that you actually just want to spend a lot of time with.

That's key to it.

And I think it's key for both Jason and I that

We've had families for quite a long time.

And it grounds you to in a way where the sprint of a startup can get traded in for the marathon of an enduring company.

And you get settled in a way.