David Heinemeier Hansson
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first heard Aug 2025
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Yeah.
And I think what we're seeing right now with some of the layoffs is a testament to that, not AI.
It's just that
During the pandemic
A bunch of overhiring went on and now AI is a convenient excuse to slim down.
But I do also think AI is going to expose some roles as just not being productive ways for humans to spend their time.
And therefore we must come up with new w ways of spending the time.
And the one uh again, I'm quoting Toby for the third time here, but anecdote that he shared me or observation was, okay, let's say we all we lose half the jobs that are currently happening right now.
Do you notice Formula One employs literally tens of thousands of people just to run cars around in a circle for spectators?
Like that has that whole circus has no intrinsic value to society besides the spectacle it produces of amusement and entertainment.
We just decided it would be really fun for these what is it, twelve manufacturers to create these vast cars and constantly tweak the little arrow improvements and we will watch it and we
Will spend literally billions of dollars doing it and employ tens of thousands of people towards an ultimately deeply frivolous activity.
So if we are liberated from a bunch of drudgery and fake email jobs, maybe we all get uh employed as F1 style engineers and drivers and mechanics and masseuses and the other fifteen hundred jobs.
that are involved in that and we come up with new things.
I think this is humans are very poor at imagining
What exactly the future's gonna be like.
Funny thing is we're already doing that, right?
Like the number of fake email job people who sit on a chair all day long and type into a machine who don't have hard physical labor would be unimaginable to folks in the eighteen hundreds.
Right.
So the future is always already here.
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