David Heinemeier Hansson

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5,915 appearances 4 recordings 4 series first heard Aug 2025 last heard 26 Aug

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Lex Fridman Podcast · #501 – DHH: Future of Programming, AI, Agentic Engineering, Vibe Coding & Linux · 26 Aug 2026 podcast

Yes.

Is it fair to have some

Ground rules on that yes.

But then don't squander it five

denying the translation of an essay.

Because then you erase the whole thing and you bias everyone towards thinking like

uh every guardrail you put up is gonna be bullshit.

Shockingly.

and n I was about to say annoyingly, but that's not actually true because what what it's finding, at least when you're using in defensive ways, is it's finding real issues that a clever hacker could exploit.

But nothing has cost as much

Stress, to be fair, at the technical team at 37 Signals, like the fact that these latest batches models are exceptionally good at finding these issues.

So suddenly there's just this seemingly endless parade of security vulnerabilities that needs to be patched and fixed and sorted and so on.

And the end result is we end up with vastly more secure systems.

But the road there is pretty rocky.

I do think that all the

aggressive tendencies of these models, or not even tendencies, uses of these models, are also the defensive ones.

So if you're good at finding an exploit for exploits, you're also good at finding exploits for defense.

So in that sense, it does feel like we're um spy versus spy here, black and white, but with the same capabilities and with the same actions.

But while we still have to steer these agents somewhat,

and verify and vet the work is creating a lot of intense moments for security teams around the world.

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