David Hoffman

That is the purpose of Zcash, to have privacy be a native attribute of the blockchain.

In the Ethereum world, there was always sort of the hope that because Ethereum is turning complete general purpose, that it would extend, there would be extensions, there would be maybe not native privacy on-chain in Ethereum the way there is with Zcash, but we would have enough tools or layer twos that provide that.

I have to be honest, like that over the past five years that we've been kind of doing this podcast and exploring this really hasn't happened with Ethereum.

I mean, it's happened in pockets.

There's Tornado Cash.

There's Railgun.

There's some promising things.

There's even more recently the Zama protocol, which uses some FHE stuff to kind of do some of this.

And so you can start to see a world where you maybe kind of get it on Ethereum, but

But from an Ethereum perspective, it sure would be nice to have a shielded ETH button embedded in the protocol.

Oh, check out Anoma.

Anoma?

Is that an... Anoma?

I don't actually know how this is showing his shirt for the podcast.

His shirt, and it's got some numerals on it.

Yeah, that makes sense.

But why is that?

Connect those dots for me.

So we run into the problem that you were describing earlier of using sort of Zcash as a middle layer and why that doesn't work.

Do you think it'll come eventually?