David Hoffman

It was only a two of five, right?

You could do a five of seven or something like this.

There's all sorts of time delays, all sorts of things you could have done.

I think another lesson learned is the social engineering behind these hacks is getting crazy sophisticated.

Right.

So how they got these signers to actually sign, I don't know if that's completely known, but it could be like supply chain attacks where like there's some kind of code library that they downloaded as a dependencies now infected their machine.

I mean, if you're a multi-sig signer, you should be concerned with your setup at all times and be paranoid about it.

David, there was something that big that came out of ECC this week that caught my eye.

I want to tell you about it.

That OK?

I would I would love to hear.

OK, so there was a dream that was the United Chains of Ethereum.

You remember this?

I had this same dream.

That's what I thought we were kind of getting back in 2022.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought was the whole idea.

So I want to take you to maybe DEF CON 2024.

Do you remember when Drake gave his first kind of lean Ethereum talk?

Yeah, and so there was news like Justin Drake was getting on stage.

He was going to present something.