David Hoffman

So it's kind of a, you know...

um a sum type story a sum is greater than the parts type story because every l2 that joins adds some more liquidity and they all kind of share it together so that's kind of the the alignment hope i don't know yet it's too early to see whether they can pull it off but the dream is still alive yeah this sounds like just based and native roll-ups applied yep is that what this is because i know martin was big on native roll-ups

Is this that?

Well, it's funny because Martin gave the talk at the same DevCon I was talking about about native roll-ups, right?

And so this is the manifestation of that.

And he thinks now it's kind of possible.

Maybe it's not quite native roll-ups in the way he talked about them as being completely homogenous, but for all intents and purposes, it feels kind of like a native roll-up.

And the bottom line is united liquidity, united network effect,

A much more coordinated ecosystem of chains.

That was the original vision and maybe this pulls it off.

Which one is it?

It all kind of depends on traction, I think, right?

Some have said like Zaki Manian from the Cosmos ecosystem.

Where have I heard this idea before?

We tried this in Cosmos in 2023 and it didn't work.

Yeah.

Martin Koppelman says, to be frank, being in the same economic zone as Ethereum is more relevant than being in the same one as Cosmos.

Right.

If this path catches on, it would be great because the EF can focus on scaling the L1.

They can focus on getting Ethereum quantum secure, right?